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welcome to the skeptic Zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic Zone podcast

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episode

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739 for the 4th of December 2022

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Adrian Hill here coming to you from

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Vancouver Canada

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where's Richard Saunders the regular

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host you may ask

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poor Richard had a visit from the evil

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covet fairy and is not sounding so well

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personally I'd much rather have a visit

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from the good skeptical Fairy Godmother

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angel from the internet any day get well

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soon Richard

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coming up on this week's show Tim

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Mendham reports from skepticon the

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Australian Skeptics National Convention

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is still going on right now and Tim will

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tell us who won the Ben spoon award for

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2022

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can't wait to find out

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after that and before kovitz struck

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Richard talks to Andres Pinter from the

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European Skeptics podcast during his

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visit to Sydney a couple of weeks ago

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then it's me again with the Australian

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Skeptics newsletter

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and speaking of the newsletter the last

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time I read it you may recall I

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commented that Canada was one of 17

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countries around the world that has only

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a single land border

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well my friend Rob Palmer informed me in

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a grand way in front of 30 trivia

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players that I was wrong about this Not

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only was I incorrect about the number of

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countries in the world that share only a

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single land border but Canada was not

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one of them

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it turns out that Canada and Denmark

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have been engaging in a 50-year peaceful

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and sometimes comical border dispute

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over Hans Island a small island between

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none of it and Greenland the two

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countries came to an agreement in June

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of this year and decided to divide the

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island into two parts effectively

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eliminating both Denmark and Canada from

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the list of countries that have a single

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land border moral of the story don't

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trustworldatlas.com when you can use

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Wikipedia and yes I should have known

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better

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and to round off the show Richard Dives

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back into the digital newspaper archives

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to find reports about the late UFO

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expert Stanton Friedman

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but now it's time for me to go upstairs

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to have some of my mother's amazing

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this is Tim Mendham here I'm speaking to

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you actually from the very depths of the

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skepticon 2022 here in Canberra in the

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Glorious National Library actually it's

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a great building if you look anyway what

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we have been doing is having a whole

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range of speakers who have been doing

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fascinated shows with lots of good

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questions coming out of them too

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covering a real range of topics as much

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as you'd like to see what we also did of

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course is that what we do every year is

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award our Ben spoon award now the Ben

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spoon award is the least coveted prize

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in the skeptical World it goes to the

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perpetrator or the most Preposterous

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piece of paranormal piffle and uh in the

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past we've had some you know some great

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recipients it was a bit quiet this year

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hid away uh not doing very much maybe it

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was covered maybe they just got shy so

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we didn't get the people like paleo Pete

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twice or Meryl Dory of the

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anti-vaccination network but what we did

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get was some sort of still very worthy

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uh nominees for the award and the

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dishonorable mention for runner-up went

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to a water diviner named Robert Goulet

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who was promoting and selling a uh

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structured or hexagonal water

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which he creates by spinning water in a

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couple of soft drink bottles that are

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joined together by some sort of neck and

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creating this sort of particular product

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that's great for uh curing all sorts of

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disease uh it minimizes the growth of

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fungi doubles the refrigerator storage

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type of raw milk but naturally parsley

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microbes without losing essential

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enzymes so he was a good candidate and

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he came very close to the actual winner

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this year was a person in the

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anti-vaccination uh Society if you like

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especially a covert vaccinations and

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that was a non-doctoral called Maria

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carmilla Powell now pal who's actually

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got a doctorate in a totally different

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subject which doesn't make her a medical

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was out there sort of uh passing out uh

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fraudulent pandemic paperwork that was

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basically designed to give people

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dispensations and exemptions from being

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vaccinated now you might think well this

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think this is worthwhile doing or that

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she does it out of the goodness of her

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heart no she issued 1200 of these

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useless certificates and she charged

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people money for them in fact she got a

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hundred and twenty thousand dollars for

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them which was a pretty scary

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considering how much money she took in

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the Queensland and the uh its police and

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regulation Authority got to look at her

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police did and she was putting uh to

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charge and taken to court now the

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maximum penalty for what she did was a

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sixty thousand dollar fine and three

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far and only find her 25 000 and no

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conviction was recorded and we have no

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report and what happened to the rest of

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the 120 000 that she she pocketed from

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issuing her false exemptions so she was

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run for two days and the awards were

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given out on the dinner on the end of

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the first day and like what they can do

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is look forward to next year's

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convention which will be held in

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so in 2023 you look forward to skepticon

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I'm with Andres pinte hello Andres hi a

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surprise interview where uh we're in a

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hotel lobby we're here with Clay

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klingenberg has just gone to get a copy

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you just arrived in Sydney you're here

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for the big convention and

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um you are of course you're one of the

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members of the ESP yes which is the

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European skeptic podcast and we were so

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lucky honored to to be invited to the

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um Australian Skeptics National

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Convention in camera but uh I'm so happy

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to be here as well uh with you and

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me at the airport to pick me up and uh

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we've been walking around Sydney ever

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since it's been a lot of fun can can

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are the others joining us soon yes can't

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you do all the skeptical stuff all year

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of the world yeah well I do doubt for a

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but you know this was different no this

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lot of excitement uh attached to that

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across the world but uh but coming here

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as we record it's it's still before the

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that but getting back to the the ESP was

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it's a great name to be honest it's a

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great name I'm I'm not sure I came up I

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came up with the idea kind of uh of the

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happening in Europe as well because you

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networking and all that and and you've

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what's going on in Europe yes and the

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European Europe as a whole because

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different languages and uh we thought

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that we could we could bring all those

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everyone to see what's going on in the

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Czech Republic uh the British people are

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are doing amazing things uh in Germany

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Homeopathy which is a big success and we

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language yeah and if we share the

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information in English like as as as an

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actual Hub of information for all the

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use that as a motivation we could use

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that as uh Gathering ideas as to to what

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was the basic idea and we've been trying

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the rest of us around the world the

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necessity it's just practical isn't it

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yes it is it is and that is a Common

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Language and whenever we meet we we

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always speak that language where a

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occasionally some of us speak

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one of or two of the languages spoken in

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other countries in Europe but English is

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always the common ground so it's it's

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which means apart from anything else

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then you have an access to the American

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listening public and the Australian

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listening public and the British and the

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New Zealand the Canadian and many other

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countries and uh funny you should

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mention that because that's that that's

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basically the case that the the largest

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according to the the detail the data

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that we have access to regarding our

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listenership uh it looks like the US and

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Australia are the biggest yeah same with

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me places so there's a lot of interest

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in in our work uh which we are very

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happy about unfortunately that also

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means that we haven't really managed to

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get across to them get the message

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across to to all the European countries

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that we would would have liked to reach

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yeah so we would still need a little bit

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more help with that but there are

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patterns that we can see like in in

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Sweden

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every person every single person speaks

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very good English and they understand it

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so they don't find it uh too much work

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to to listen to an English-speaking

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podcast

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whereas in Hungary for example yeah uh

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we have very very few listeners from

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Hungary because in Hungary people don't

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like listening to English podcasts

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because it's it's a it's it's a bit of a

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trouble it's it's it's it's it's not

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convenient because they they don't have

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that level of conductive English

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so that is a barrier that we still need

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well as I said for the rest of us for

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the rest of us around the world I can

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just go click okay and listen to the ESP

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today I don't have to know any other

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language except English

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yes but for some for for the other

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countries so the countries that are

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involved in this that that we we wanted

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to serve in the first place

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um they are not necessarily reached yeah

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in that regard so the German there are

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that we have a very high high uh German

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uh big German listener base as well yeah

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um but Eastern European countries are

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not within our grasps yes you know the

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Netherlands pretty good yes by and large

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the people from the Netherlands I've met

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have an excellent yeah absolutely at

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least bilingual if not yeah yeah

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trilingual so yeah

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um the UK from the UK there are lots of

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people listening to us but uh yeah

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um we we still need to figure out how to

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reach the Eastern European countries

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well I I mean I I'm imagining this will

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be the case but it'll be fascinating for

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you and the others to meet fans here in

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Australia right regular listens to the

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show who have come along to meet you

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yeah and we can cannot wait to to see

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and meet all of them uh so we do

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encourage all three of them are coming I

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good good

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well too at least and actually it's

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still a little bit unbelievable to us

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that uh the organizers of the convention

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thought that uh we are a a worthy guests

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to to invite uh tried to live up to that

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and as we speak as we speak coming

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around the corner in through the door

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we have almost everybody from the ESP

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podcast

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ing something hello no yes yes of course

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they are I left them alone for two

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minutes to get coffee I come back and

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they're recording yes of course and

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that's folks we'll leave it thank you

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very much Andres pontus came in and just

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spoiled everything yes and I'll just do

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a takeover now and the next time I'll

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interview you Upon This I Promise all

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right okay

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[Music]

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this is NASA uh I see a flat Earth but

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we should lie to everybody about it and

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say it's round 10 4. maximum fun brings

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you the latest podcast and expose on the

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Flat Earth

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I want to take advantage of humankind

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and make them believe a lie so that they

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will trust us with the government it's

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all an elaborate lie and when you get on

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a plane they purposefully fly you

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farther than you need to go it's

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disgusting it needs to be stopped and if

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you listen to Ono Ross and Carrie we

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because what we do is we look at

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extraordinary claims that's right we've

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gone undercover with alternative Medical

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Treatments Fringe religious groups

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fringe science claims spiritual

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paranormal we're there to check it out

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and let you know what happens is the

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Queen Mary haunted I don't know find out

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we show up we make friends we learn what

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happens when you ask questions and we

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tell you all about it and we get all

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that funky stuff done to us it's Ono

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Ross and Carrie at maximumfun.org

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thank you

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hello everyone this is Adrienne Hill

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from Canada here to read the highlights

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this is newsletter number 162.

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now let's see what Tim Mendham has for

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us this week

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hi all says Tim

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heading into the home stretch for 2022

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so read on

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Tim

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AI for science producing

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pseudoscientific papers hmm

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Facebook's parent company meta has shut

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down a public demonstration of its

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Galactica artificial intelligence model

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for quote scientific tasks end quote

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after scientists showed it was

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generating false and misleading

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information by filtering out entire

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categories of research

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it seems Mark Zuckerberg is not having a

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good year

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new audio format the future of EVP

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research

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quote the new format known as 32-bit

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float is set to become the next big

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thing in audio and video production end

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quote

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one for the techies and audio files out

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there

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quote this new standard benefits the

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world of paranormal research because it

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allows researchers to analyze the

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recordings from investigations more

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clearly than ever end quote

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no indications however if that would

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also allow research to manipulate their

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recordings

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as a side note owing to the generosity

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of a certain skeptic Zone fan Richard

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now records and edits in 32-bit float

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and he tells me it is a revolution

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[Music]

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the truth was out there

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this is a long article on Art Bell a U.S

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radio host you probably haven't heard of

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but who ran a conspiracy-oriented late

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night program in the U.S for some years

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despite the length of this article some

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pompous writing quote amidst the

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political disempowerment material

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Decline and social atomization of the

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post-cold War era Bell soothed his

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listeners by offering them a proxy of

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self-determination end quote and the

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fact that Bell promoted all sorts of

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pseudoscience paranormalities and a

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range of conspiracies it is an

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interesting case study

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something straight out of quote the

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precarity of the end of History period

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end quote apparently

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why ghost hunting shows are ridiculous

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just in case you didn't already know

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that this article takes a swipe at

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reality TV programs with five examples

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of how they cheat or misrepresent the

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photos of unexplained phenomena

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while the tone of this preview of a

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French exhibition of photographs of

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parapsychological phenomena spoon

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bending table turning Etc has a

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believing tone the photos have

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the December issue of the skeptic

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magazine is at the printers as we speak

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great articles on medical

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misunderstandings the great conspiracy

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theory big waves exorcism case studies

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and the continuing Hall of Shame of

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spurious claims and dubious responses

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if you haven't subscribed yet now is the

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comments and suggestions should also go

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now for items of Interest

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psychic animals and the World Cup

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when they're not boycotting the

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controversial games some animals are

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making the usual round of predictions of

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the outcomes

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Alfie one of the quote smarter and

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responsive alpacas end quote at a

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petting zoo in Oxfordshire predicted

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that England would lose to Iran but

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England won six two and that USA will

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win two games in the early rounds

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USA to date has drawn two games

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scratch one psychic alpaca

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Kenny the psychic ferret from a zoo and

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Hartlepool likewise predicted an England

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loss scratch one ferret

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Camila the psychic camel owned by a real

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estate agent in leicestershire predicted

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a thumping win for England against Iran

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and a win for Ecuador in The Opening

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match against Qatar

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both correct two ticks for Mystic Millie

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Tayo the otter Oracle predicted a Japan

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win over Germany but Olivia the parrot

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had the reverse

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otters are better psychics than parrots

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in Qatar itself

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or thorea the panda the story doesn't

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say which predicted a win for Ecuador

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over the Panda's home country while

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Libro the Falcon predicted the reverse

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and a word of warning to all psychic

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animals a Japanese octopus named rabio

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predicted a win for Japan against

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Belgium in 2018 but when Belgium won a

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last-minute Victory well let's just say

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there was an addition to the Seafood

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menu the next day

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and for the record Mystic veg the

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asparagus thrower predicts that England

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what your aura color says sick

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about your personal style

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quote how do you know what color your

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aura is and where do you find it exactly

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for starters Michaela says it's about

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going inside and finding you end quote

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bad grammar mockish discussion hold that

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bucket

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video of sheep walking in a circle

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sheep in Mongolia did it for 12 days

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straight or should that be circular and

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the story describes a video of the event

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as eerie and bizarre only in one line at

562
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the end of the story do they offer an

563
00:25:44,990 --> 00:25:42,900
alternative non-paranormal explanation a

564
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bacterial disease called listeriosis

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which has been known to cause exactly

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silliest story of the week

567
00:25:59,210 --> 00:25:57,059
Albert Einstein could have been an alien

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oh so that explains it

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quote paranormal expert Reverend Lionel

570
00:26:07,370 --> 00:26:05,039
fanthorpe is convinced that there is a

571
00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:07,380
Multiverse that has given the human race

572
00:26:13,490 --> 00:26:09,840
both the genius physicist and artist

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Leonardo da Vinci end quote

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smart people are too good to be from

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00:26:20,990 --> 00:26:18,179
around here and in case you're wondering

576
00:26:23,810 --> 00:26:21,000
the good Reverend Anglican slash

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Universal Life Church is also an

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Entertainer formal Dental technician

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journalist teacher television presenter

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author lecturer industrial trainer van

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driver and warehouseman a busy man but

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foreign

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Hill signing off with a quote from an

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article in the star Metro Edmonton by

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writer Kevin mayman in 2018 about the

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growth of Alberta's pet psychics

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quote as products for pet parents

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00:27:04,669 --> 00:27:01,980
proliferate more people may be trying to

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talk telepathically with Fido and fluffy

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but scientists say it's a load of dog

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doo doo end quote

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[Music]

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foreign

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[Music]

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once again to dive into those delicious

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digital delights at Trove and other

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resources from around the world online

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decades indeed into centuries

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a never-ending supply of information and

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for researchers absolutely invaluable

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and for podcasters too

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now last week we had a look at some more

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stories relating to UFOs an evergreen

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topic so I thought today we would look

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at one of the great characters of

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ufology

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Stanton Friedman

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[Music]

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and according to Wikipedia Stanton T

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Friedman July 1934 to May 2019 was an

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American nuclear physicist and

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professional ufologist who resided in

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New Brunswick Canada he was the original

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civilian investigator of the Roswell UFO

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00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:33,720
incident

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it goes on to say in 1970 Friedman left

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full-time employment as a physicist to

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pursue the scientific investigation of

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unidentified flying objects UFOs since

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00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:48,299
then he gave lectures to more than 600

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colleges and to more than 100

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00:29:56,029 --> 00:29:53,279
professional groups in 50 states 10

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provinces and 19 countries outside the

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U.S additionally he worked as a

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consultant on the topic he published

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00:30:06,169 --> 00:30:03,000
more than 80

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UFO related papers and appeared on many

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radio and television programs

630
00:30:13,970 --> 00:30:11,419
he also provided written testimony to

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Congressional hearings and appeared

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00:30:21,470 --> 00:30:18,260
twice at the United Nations Friedman

633
00:30:25,970 --> 00:30:21,480
consistently favored use of the term

634
00:30:27,950 --> 00:30:25,980
Flying Saucer in his work saying flying

635
00:30:30,529 --> 00:30:27,960
sources are by definition unidentified

636
00:30:33,169 --> 00:30:30,539
flying objects but very few unidentified

637
00:30:35,409 --> 00:30:33,179
flying objects are flying sources I am

638
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interested in the latter not the former

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00:30:42,409 --> 00:30:39,240
he used to refer to himself as the

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flying source of physicist because of

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his degrees in nuclear physics and work

642
00:30:50,450 --> 00:30:47,940
on nuclear projects later on it says

643
00:30:52,970 --> 00:30:50,460
Friedman was criticized both by Skeptics

644
00:30:56,090 --> 00:30:52,980
and other Roswell researchers for taking

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the position that there are no

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00:31:02,269 --> 00:30:59,100
substantive grounds for dismissing the

647
00:31:04,490 --> 00:31:02,279
authenticity of some Majestic 12

648
00:31:07,370 --> 00:31:04,500
documents and of course there are more

649
00:31:10,610 --> 00:31:07,380
interesting points here about Stanton

650
00:31:13,970 --> 00:31:10,620
Friedman on heat suffice it to say he

651
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:13,980
was a large character in the

652
00:31:19,970 --> 00:31:17,760
sphere of UFOs but now it's time to see

653
00:31:22,620 --> 00:31:19,980
what the papers have to say or had to

654
00:31:28,250 --> 00:31:22,630
say about Stanton Friedman

655
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:30,409
and our first newspaper comes from the

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year 1976 on the 16th of October it's

657
00:31:39,370 --> 00:31:37,320
the Lebanon Daily News and this comes to

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us from Pennsylvania

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00:31:44,990 --> 00:31:42,120
scientist engineer poses his own

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00:31:48,850 --> 00:31:45,000
theories on UFOs nobody speaks for

661
00:31:52,669 --> 00:31:48,860
planet Earth Stanton Friedman

662
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:52,679
Elizabethtown Stan Friedman has been

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00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:54,720
enthralling audiences around the country

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for years with his knowledge of UFO law

665
00:32:03,649 --> 00:32:01,500
who is Stanton Friedman he is a

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00:32:05,810 --> 00:32:03,659
scientist engineer specializing in

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00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:05,820
nuclear physics having worked for such

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00:32:10,490 --> 00:32:07,279
firms as

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00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:10,500
TRW system in Redondo Beach California

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00:32:16,250 --> 00:32:13,039
and Westinghouse

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00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:16,260
astronuclear laboratory Pittsburgh in

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00:32:21,049 --> 00:32:18,240
the development of nuclear rockets and

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00:32:24,590 --> 00:32:21,059
aircraft he has also been engaged by

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00:32:27,049 --> 00:32:24,600
aerojet General nuclear Onyx in San

675
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:27,059
Francisco the Allison division of

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00:32:32,810 --> 00:32:30,000
General Motors Indianapolis and General

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Electric's aircraft nuclear propulsion

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Department he holds a bachelor's and

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00:32:39,950 --> 00:32:37,860
master's degree in physics Friedman has

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lectured before audiences in more than

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00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:43,380
46 States and Canada his articles on

682
00:32:48,529 --> 00:32:46,140
UFOs have appeared in several technical

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00:32:52,250 --> 00:32:48,539
journals frequently receiving approval

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00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:52,260
people from fellow scientists he has

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00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:54,720
been the focus of interviews by such

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00:33:01,730 --> 00:32:57,360
radio and television personalities as

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00:33:03,529 --> 00:33:01,740
Tom Snyder Steve Allen David ciscoin and

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00:33:06,529 --> 00:33:03,539
Lou Gordon

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extra terrestrial

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00:33:11,330 --> 00:33:08,100
power

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and after all that it may be surprising

692
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:14,519
to some that Stanton Friedman is not a

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00:33:19,610 --> 00:33:17,039
flying source of skeptic in fact he

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00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:19,620
believes quite strongly that UFOs are

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00:33:26,210 --> 00:33:22,559
Guided by beings from beyond Earth's

696
00:33:28,669 --> 00:33:26,220
solar system The Daily News had the

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00:33:31,310 --> 00:33:28,679
opportunity to talk with Friedman prior

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to his onstage lecture Monday at the

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Elizabethtown College

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and this is like a printed interview so

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I will put the uh

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00:33:48,169 --> 00:33:44,460
The Voice effect on Friedman's comments

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00:33:50,990 --> 00:33:48,179
assuming that UFOs are of an

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00:33:54,169 --> 00:33:51,000
extraterrestrial origin why are they

705
00:33:56,330 --> 00:33:54,179
always flying around our planet well we

706
00:33:59,930 --> 00:33:56,340
have no way of knowing how many visits

707
00:34:02,630 --> 00:33:59,940
by UFOs we have on this planet for all

708
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:02,640
we know this might be the least visited

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00:34:07,850 --> 00:34:04,559
planet in the neighborhood

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00:34:10,190 --> 00:34:07,860
in my paper at the AIA American

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00:34:13,490 --> 00:34:10,200
Institute of Aeronautics and

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00:34:16,430 --> 00:34:13,500
astronautics Symposium last year I gave

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00:34:20,210 --> 00:34:16,440
28 reasons for visiting Earth May range

714
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:20,220
from the sublime to the ridiculous the

715
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:23,040
aliens may be graduate students doing

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00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:25,919
their thesis work on the development of

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00:34:32,930 --> 00:34:29,760
a primitive Society or specimen

718
00:34:37,849 --> 00:34:32,940
gatherers for a extraterrestrial Zoo

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00:34:40,909 --> 00:34:37,859
they work for the f i a the Galactic

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00:34:43,970 --> 00:34:40,919
Federation intelligence agency they're

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00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:43,980
Advanced men for a space Hilton this is

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00:34:49,070 --> 00:34:46,560
the last place the aliens can go hunting

723
00:34:51,290 --> 00:34:49,080
and fishing without a license this

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00:34:54,589 --> 00:34:51,300
corner of the galaxy is the honeymoon

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00:34:57,650 --> 00:34:54,599
capital or they're punished by being

726
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:57,660
made to spend two weeks near Earth would

727
00:35:02,750 --> 00:35:00,240
you say that the aliens are deliberately

728
00:35:05,570 --> 00:35:02,760
avoiding direct contact with people on

729
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:05,580
Earth certainly rule number one for a

730
00:35:12,170 --> 00:35:09,119
UFO note has to be to make sure that he

731
00:35:14,329 --> 00:35:12,180
can get home obviously every Air Force

732
00:35:16,849 --> 00:35:14,339
in the world would love to get its hands

733
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:16,859
on a flying saucer they'd make wonderful

734
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:19,920
weapons Delivery Systems that's where

735
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:21,119
it's at

736
00:35:28,010 --> 00:35:24,480
the b1s f-16s

737
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:28,020
ETC secondly all these jokes about take

738
00:35:33,650 --> 00:35:31,440
me to your leader are stupid there is no

739
00:35:36,349 --> 00:35:33,660
leader to be taken to It's Perfectly

740
00:35:39,230 --> 00:35:36,359
obvious to the aliens that this is a

741
00:35:42,170 --> 00:35:39,240
leaderless planet and it is a primitive

742
00:35:46,130 --> 00:35:42,180
Society whose major activity is tribal

743
00:35:48,530 --> 00:35:46,140
Warfare they the aliens would be shot at

744
00:35:51,470 --> 00:35:48,540
attacked they certainly don't want their

745
00:35:54,290 --> 00:35:51,480
technology to get into our hands and who

746
00:35:57,230 --> 00:35:54,300
are they going to talk to

747
00:36:00,109 --> 00:35:57,240
what would they want to talk to us for

748
00:36:02,690 --> 00:36:00,119
to find out how to make a mess of a

749
00:36:04,250 --> 00:36:02,700
planet it doesn't make any sense and

750
00:36:06,589 --> 00:36:04,260
it's not like the situation where

751
00:36:09,470 --> 00:36:06,599
Margaret Mead goes to live with the

752
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:09,480
natives of Samoa or Jane Goodall lives

753
00:36:14,569 --> 00:36:12,000
with the Apes in Africa we the human

754
00:36:17,870 --> 00:36:14,579
race broadcast radio and television

755
00:36:19,569 --> 00:36:17,880
singles all over the place we put out

756
00:36:22,849 --> 00:36:19,579
all kinds of information that's

757
00:36:25,609 --> 00:36:22,859
accessible via instrumentation our

758
00:36:29,150 --> 00:36:25,619
telephone conversations now being sent

759
00:36:31,970 --> 00:36:29,160
out by microwave if the Russians can

760
00:36:35,630 --> 00:36:31,980
monitor Us by satellite certainly the

761
00:36:38,210 --> 00:36:35,640
aliens can so what do they need to come

762
00:36:40,910 --> 00:36:38,220
down here for they're obviously not here

763
00:36:43,490 --> 00:36:40,920
to say Hey Joe let's have dinner

764
00:36:45,710 --> 00:36:43,500
together because we want to tell you all

765
00:36:47,450 --> 00:36:45,720
the secrets of the universe no

766
00:36:50,329 --> 00:36:47,460
civilization is going to give its

767
00:36:53,329 --> 00:36:50,339
secrets away to Primitives and that's

768
00:36:55,609 --> 00:36:53,339
what we are obviously it would be

769
00:36:59,690 --> 00:36:55,619
amazing if they did did come down to say

770
00:37:02,750 --> 00:36:59,700
hi fellows or take me to your leader or

771
00:37:04,490 --> 00:37:02,760
anything but I can't imagine them

772
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:04,500
dealing with individual countries

773
00:37:11,690 --> 00:37:08,160
getting mixed up in this tribal Warfare

774
00:37:13,970 --> 00:37:11,700
wouldn't any advanced civilization want

775
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:13,980
to keep tabs on The Primitives who

776
00:37:19,849 --> 00:37:16,560
haven't solved their sociological

777
00:37:24,530 --> 00:37:19,859
problems that are going to be tramping

778
00:37:26,569 --> 00:37:24,540
around out there and that may become the

779
00:37:29,329 --> 00:37:26,579
Genghis khans of the galactic

780
00:37:30,290 --> 00:37:29,339
neighborhood instead of just their own

781
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:30,300
planet

782
00:37:36,890 --> 00:37:34,079
since the aliens are presumably watching

783
00:37:39,710 --> 00:37:36,900
us all the time do you believe that

784
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:39,720
they're ready to act should we take our

785
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:44,640
spacecraft too far yes if we'd send a

786
00:37:49,609 --> 00:37:47,040
manned Starship out and they'd certainly

787
00:37:53,569 --> 00:37:49,619
be concerned or if we're going to set up

788
00:37:57,230 --> 00:37:53,579
a colony someplace Is it feasible that

789
00:38:00,050 --> 00:37:57,240
within the next 25 to 50 years mankind

790
00:38:02,990 --> 00:38:00,060
will launch a Starship and I'll just cut

791
00:38:05,690 --> 00:38:03,000
into say bear in mind this interview was

792
00:38:08,450 --> 00:38:05,700
conducted 47 years ago

793
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:08,460
sure but the first spaceship system will

794
00:38:14,930 --> 00:38:12,480
be primitive so it'll be so slow that by

795
00:38:17,630 --> 00:38:14,940
the time we get the second system ready

796
00:38:20,569 --> 00:38:17,640
it will be able to catch up with the

797
00:38:23,450 --> 00:38:20,579
first system are you talking about a

798
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:23,460
faster than light space Drive

799
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:26,160
no you don't need to travel faster than

800
00:38:31,010 --> 00:38:28,320
the speed of light one of the worst

801
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:31,020
myths about UFOs and travel to the stars

802
00:38:35,810 --> 00:38:33,599
is this whole business regarding the

803
00:38:37,490 --> 00:38:35,820
speed of light there are published

804
00:38:41,870 --> 00:38:37,500
papers showing that trips to nearby

805
00:38:44,089 --> 00:38:41,880
Stars I mean nearby are feasible there

806
00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:44,099
is a hell of a difference between 20

807
00:38:50,270 --> 00:38:47,280
light years from Earth and 2 million

808
00:38:52,849 --> 00:38:50,280
light years from Earth the distance to

809
00:38:55,069 --> 00:38:52,859
the Galaxy of Andromeda

810
00:38:58,130 --> 00:38:55,079
is there a chance that we might find

811
00:39:00,730 --> 00:38:58,140
habitable planets among the nearby Stars

812
00:39:04,190 --> 00:39:00,740
sure within 52 light years of birth

813
00:39:07,130 --> 00:39:04,200
there are a thousand stars roughly and

814
00:39:10,010 --> 00:39:07,140
of those thousand forty six seem to meet

815
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:10,020
the criteria for probably having planets

816
00:39:16,010 --> 00:39:12,960
and life and if there has been any

817
00:39:20,569 --> 00:39:16,020
colonization among other races we could

818
00:39:24,170 --> 00:39:20,579
probably expect life around all those

819
00:39:25,849 --> 00:39:24,180
interesting speculation from 40

820
00:39:28,970 --> 00:39:25,859
six years ago

821
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:28,980
suppose we get our Starcraft built and

822
00:39:34,490 --> 00:39:31,920
head out into the great beyond riding

823
00:39:38,569 --> 00:39:34,500
head on into a superior alien technology

824
00:39:40,730 --> 00:39:38,579
do you suppose they'll welcome us or

825
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:40,740
tell us to go back home

826
00:39:46,750 --> 00:39:43,440
well they'll probably say that there are

827
00:39:49,130 --> 00:39:46,760
certain rules we'll have to abide by

828
00:39:51,290 --> 00:39:49,140
before we can join the Galactic

829
00:39:54,589 --> 00:39:51,300
Federation or whatever they'll tell us

830
00:39:56,990 --> 00:39:54,599
that we are the Johnny come lately and

831
00:39:58,849 --> 00:39:57,000
that we aren't entitled to a

832
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:58,859
representation because we don't even

833
00:40:03,470 --> 00:40:00,960
have a planetary government

834
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:03,480
they tell us they don't want freeloaders

835
00:40:09,770 --> 00:40:06,480
walking all over the place yes I think

836
00:40:12,770 --> 00:40:09,780
they'd put up a complaint you don't let

837
00:40:15,530 --> 00:40:12,780
strangers walk in and take over or

838
00:40:18,890 --> 00:40:15,540
attack or destroy or do any of those

839
00:40:21,170 --> 00:40:18,900
other things that we the human race tend

840
00:40:25,130 --> 00:40:21,180
to do think of the American Indian

841
00:40:27,530 --> 00:40:25,140
situation as a prototype you know the

842
00:40:30,670 --> 00:40:27,540
Western Europeans pop over and kick them

843
00:40:33,770 --> 00:40:30,680
out and kick them around and move on in

844
00:40:34,670 --> 00:40:33,780
but what if the shoe had been on the

845
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:34,680
other foot

846
00:40:39,050 --> 00:40:36,960
what if the American Indians had the

847
00:40:41,390 --> 00:40:39,060
advanced technology what then he

848
00:40:44,510 --> 00:40:41,400
wouldn't have said fellows you want in

849
00:40:47,329 --> 00:40:44,520
you meet our standards any sophisticated

850
00:40:50,270 --> 00:40:47,339
civilization uses its resources to solve

851
00:40:54,050 --> 00:40:50,280
its problems not to clobber its own

852
00:40:59,210 --> 00:40:54,060
people which is what we do our defense

853
00:41:02,210 --> 00:40:59,220
budget is 115 billion it's absurd we

854
00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:02,220
have a planet with problems and what

855
00:41:07,310 --> 00:41:05,640
we're doing is feeding the General's

856
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:07,320
egos

857
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:09,359
one final question

858
00:41:15,410 --> 00:41:13,440
not exactly UFO orientated how close are

859
00:41:16,430 --> 00:41:15,420
we to developing nuclear-powered

860
00:41:19,790 --> 00:41:16,440
aircraft

861
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:19,800
well we successfully operated nuclear

862
00:41:27,950 --> 00:41:24,480
jet engines in 1958 no actually 57 we

863
00:41:31,730 --> 00:41:27,960
could have had nuclear aircraft then and

864
00:41:38,210 --> 00:41:31,740
just went on from there but when it came

865
00:41:40,190 --> 00:41:38,220
time to fish or cut bait we cut bait we

866
00:41:42,770 --> 00:41:40,200
successfully operated jet engines back

867
00:41:46,370 --> 00:41:42,780
then we've successfully tested nuclear

868
00:41:49,390 --> 00:41:46,380
rockets at a power level of 4 000

869
00:41:53,089 --> 00:41:49,400
megawatts you know twice the power of

870
00:41:56,450 --> 00:41:53,099
Grand Coulee Dam

871
00:42:00,050 --> 00:41:56,460
and according to Wikipedia that's a damn

872
00:42:02,810 --> 00:42:00,060
a concrete gravity Dam on the Columbia

873
00:42:05,450 --> 00:42:02,820
River in the state of Washington

874
00:42:07,310 --> 00:42:05,460
that's something I didn't know

875
00:42:10,190 --> 00:42:07,320
so we made a lot of progress in this

876
00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:10,200
area but we don't have any missions I've

877
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:12,540
worked on more canceled programs than

878
00:42:17,870 --> 00:42:15,359
anybody else and now if you'll excuse me

879
00:42:19,490 --> 00:42:17,880
I have a program that I don't want

880
00:42:22,490 --> 00:42:19,500
canceled

881
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:22,500
an interesting interview look inside the

882
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:25,200
mind of Stanton Friedman all the way

883
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:28,800
back there in 1976 with some interesting

884
00:42:32,510 --> 00:42:31,200
thoughts and opinions about exoplanets

885
00:42:37,849 --> 00:42:32,520
as we call them

886
00:42:41,329 --> 00:42:37,859
our next item comes from the Canberra

887
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:41,339
times here in Australia dated the 25th

888
00:42:48,890 --> 00:42:44,640
of June 1974.

889
00:42:51,310 --> 00:42:48,900
creatures from space visit Earth Akron

890
00:42:55,010 --> 00:42:51,320
Ohio Monday Australian Associated Press

891
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:55,020
a nuclear physicist who is convinced

892
00:42:58,910 --> 00:42:56,000
that

893
00:43:01,309 --> 00:42:58,920
extraterrestrial Critters exist in the

894
00:43:05,089 --> 00:43:01,319
universe said the creatures visited

895
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:05,099
Earth often and men from Earth would

896
00:43:12,410 --> 00:43:08,240
visit them on July 4

897
00:43:16,490 --> 00:43:12,420
1976 United Press International reported

898
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:16,500
Mr Stanton Friedman a self-employed

899
00:43:23,809 --> 00:43:19,680
lecturer in ufology who calls himself

900
00:43:27,770 --> 00:43:23,819
the Ralph Nader of UFOs said he was

901
00:43:30,290 --> 00:43:27,780
willing to bet that on the 200th

902
00:43:33,290 --> 00:43:30,300
anniversary of the founding of America

903
00:43:37,010 --> 00:43:33,300
when an unmanned spacecraft lands on

904
00:43:39,710 --> 00:43:37,020
Mars we will learn that there is life Mr

905
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:39,720
Friedman who holds a master's degree in

906
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:41,760
physics from the University of Chicago

907
00:43:46,849 --> 00:43:44,640
addressed a nationwide Symposium on

908
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:46,859
flying sources in Akron

909
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:50,880
sadly his history reports the uh

910
00:43:56,450 --> 00:43:54,720
the finding of other life in 1976 did

911
00:43:59,450 --> 00:43:56,460
not occur

912
00:44:00,589 --> 00:43:59,460
and finally from the East Liverpool

913
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:00,599
review

914
00:44:07,750 --> 00:44:05,040
East Liverpool Ohio on the 15th of

915
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:11,530
1968 going back quite a way

916
00:44:19,250 --> 00:44:15,839
UFO answering service just phone in your

917
00:44:21,470 --> 00:44:19,260
sightings of sources it has been

918
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:21,480
announced that anyone observing an

919
00:44:31,309 --> 00:44:26,160
unidentified flying object UF within UF

920
00:44:34,860 --> 00:44:31,319
that's interesting UF not UFO within 200

921
00:44:37,630 --> 00:44:34,870
miles of Pittsburgh can call

922
00:44:41,870 --> 00:44:37,640
[Music]

923
00:44:44,270 --> 00:44:41,880
412-391-2766 a 24-hour answering service

924
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:44,280
that has been established by the newly

925
00:44:49,130 --> 00:44:47,760
organized UFO Research Institute located

926
00:44:51,970 --> 00:44:49,140
in Pittsburgh

927
00:44:55,490 --> 00:44:51,980
The Institute has been formed to engage

928
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:55,500
in and support scientific inquiry and

929
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:57,599
Research into all aspects of

930
00:45:03,230 --> 00:45:00,960
unidentified aerial phenomena its

931
00:45:05,450 --> 00:45:03,240
members will gather and analyze reliable

932
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:05,460
and factual information on past

933
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:08,640
sightings as well as attempt to obtain

934
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:12,720
photographic magnetic and other hard

935
00:45:19,309 --> 00:45:16,800
data during and just after sightings in

936
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:19,319
addition to its research Activities The

937
00:45:24,050 --> 00:45:22,079
Institute will publish a newsletter to

938
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:24,060
inform its members the scientific

939
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:26,400
community and the general public of

940
00:45:32,270 --> 00:45:29,520
information concerning UFOs it will

941
00:45:34,849 --> 00:45:32,280
sponsor presentations by reputable

942
00:45:38,030 --> 00:45:34,859
speakers to provide a forum for

943
00:45:41,050 --> 00:45:38,040
discussion of UFOs and Will from time to

944
00:45:44,089 --> 00:45:41,060
time publish significant documents

945
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,099
concerning UFOs

946
00:45:52,130 --> 00:45:46,400
various categories

947
00:45:55,309 --> 00:45:52,140
open to interested persons inquiries

948
00:45:58,990 --> 00:45:55,319
should be addressed to the UFO Research

949
00:46:05,530 --> 00:45:59,000
Institute Suite 311

950
00:46:12,109 --> 00:46:09,650
15219 the UFO Research Institute is a

951
00:46:15,470 --> 00:46:12,119
non-profit scientific and educational

952
00:46:16,329 --> 00:46:15,480
organization formally known as the

953
00:46:18,849 --> 00:46:16,339
Pittsburgh

954
00:46:21,710 --> 00:46:18,859
subcommittee of the national

955
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:21,720
investigations committee on aerial

956
00:46:29,450 --> 00:46:26,400
phenomenon nycap The Institute is now an

957
00:46:32,890 --> 00:46:29,460
independent group that cooperates with

958
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:32,900
all scientific groups and educational

959
00:46:39,010 --> 00:46:35,760
institutions to carry out its activities

960
00:46:41,630 --> 00:46:39,020
it is seeking financial support from

961
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:41,640
individuals and foundations for the

962
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:44,400
purchase of additional equipment to Aid

963
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:47,520
in unraveling the U UFO mystery

964
00:46:52,370 --> 00:46:49,440
competent investigators will interview

965
00:46:54,349 --> 00:46:52,380
Witnesses and investigate the Locale of

966
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:54,359
all those sightings which after

967
00:47:00,109 --> 00:46:57,359
preliminary investigation indicate that

968
00:47:04,250 --> 00:47:00,119
an unknown aerial phenomenon may have

969
00:47:07,370 --> 00:47:04,260
been seen or is present man of the

970
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:07,380
Pittsburgh subcommittee of nycap and an

971
00:47:12,170 --> 00:47:09,839
unfortunately the type here has been a

972
00:47:14,510 --> 00:47:12,180
little bit blurred over time said

973
00:47:17,690 --> 00:47:14,520
William Weitzel president of the

974
00:47:19,329 --> 00:47:17,700
Institute former chair and again it's a

975
00:47:22,250 --> 00:47:19,339
bit blurred I think it says instructor

976
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:22,260
at the Bradford branch of the University

977
00:47:27,890 --> 00:47:25,680
of Pittsburgh with the 24-hour answering

978
00:47:30,410 --> 00:47:27,900
service the large number of sightings

979
00:47:33,290 --> 00:47:30,420
taking place in the area and our network

980
00:47:35,450 --> 00:47:33,300
of trained investigators we are very

981
00:47:38,690 --> 00:47:35,460
optimistic about being able to obtain

982
00:47:40,849 --> 00:47:38,700
data during sightings as well as merely

983
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:40,859
investigating old reports we will

984
00:47:46,609 --> 00:47:43,680
protect the identity of witnesses not

985
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:46,619
wanting publicity though there is

986
00:47:53,690 --> 00:47:50,400
growing awareness of the reality and

987
00:47:57,950 --> 00:47:53,700
seriousness of UFO phenomena

988
00:48:00,650 --> 00:47:57,960
Stanton T Friedman a nuclear physicist

989
00:48:03,230 --> 00:48:00,660
in one of the several scientists on the

990
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:03,240
institute's board of directors commented

991
00:48:08,450 --> 00:48:06,240
surprising as it may seem my discussions

992
00:48:11,089 --> 00:48:08,460
about UFOs across the country on radio

993
00:48:13,849 --> 00:48:11,099
and television and before more than 50

994
00:48:16,490 --> 00:48:13,859
professionals and lay groups this past

995
00:48:18,770 --> 00:48:16,500
year have elicited the interest and the

996
00:48:22,910 --> 00:48:18,780
assistance of a lot of very responsible

997
00:48:25,849 --> 00:48:22,920
people rather than either the ridicule

998
00:48:27,530 --> 00:48:25,859
or occultism often associated with

999
00:48:30,530 --> 00:48:27,540
flying sources

1000
00:48:32,930 --> 00:48:30,540
a new era of concern for the facts seems

1001
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:32,940
to have begun this has been further

1002
00:48:37,790 --> 00:48:35,280
demonstrated by the rather astonishing

1003
00:48:41,450 --> 00:48:37,800
popularity in the institute's first

1004
00:48:43,370 --> 00:48:41,460
publication UFOs the great scientific

1005
00:48:46,250 --> 00:48:43,380
problem of our time

1006
00:48:48,589 --> 00:48:46,260
I'm also very encouraged by the recent

1007
00:48:51,710 --> 00:48:48,599
formation of scientific UFO research

1008
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:51,720
groups at the University of Toronto and

1009
00:48:57,950 --> 00:48:54,480
in the Soviet Union since the problem is

1010
00:49:02,410 --> 00:48:57,960
clearly worldwide

1011
00:49:06,109 --> 00:49:02,420
yes interesting way back there in 1968

1012
00:49:09,050 --> 00:49:06,119
1968 they would scarcely have believed

1013
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:09,060
that if you told them that uh

1014
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,000
well over 50 years later UFOs are still

1015
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:16,800
much the same in the much the same

1016
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:18,960
situation as they've been ever since day

1017
00:49:23,390 --> 00:49:19,920
one

1018
00:49:26,450 --> 00:49:23,400
uh reports that really seem to go

1019
00:49:29,210 --> 00:49:26,460
nowhere we have yet to make contact and

1020
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:29,220
there's no real hard evidence at all for

1021
00:49:37,150 --> 00:49:33,010
aliens visiting the Earth

1022
00:49:42,530 --> 00:49:39,530
but that shouldn't stop you visiting

1023
00:49:44,990 --> 00:49:42,540
Trove and other online newspaper

1024
00:49:47,930 --> 00:49:45,000
resources from around the world to

1025
00:49:50,270 --> 00:49:47,940
investigate for yourself not only UFOs

1026
00:49:53,150 --> 00:49:50,280
but all sorts of interesting topics

1027
00:49:55,309 --> 00:49:53,160
because you never know you never know

1028
00:49:58,350 --> 00:49:55,319
what you might find

1029
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:15,160
[Music]

1030
00:50:18,589 --> 00:50:16,490
[Applause]

1031
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:18,599
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1032
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00:50:27,290 --> 00:50:23,760
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00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:33,480
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1038
00:50:38,690 --> 00:50:35,359
references to Chariots of the Gods

1039
00:50:40,550 --> 00:50:38,700
looking forward to that one also by next

1040
00:50:43,490 --> 00:50:40,560
week Richard Saunders should be back on

1041
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Deck but for this week this is Adrian

1042
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:47,130
Hill saying see you later from Canada

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00:50:57,849 --> 00:50:53,040
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okay that was a little silly